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	<title>Comments on: Puzzle #109: &#8220;Appreciation&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Tuning Spork</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuning Spork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I usually find them to be supremely annoying.  

I&#039;ve never thought of it as being &quot;lazy&quot; cluing.   I just assumed that it was a symptom of wanting to be bring a themeless together in an overly eager manner.

Some months ago I made a puzzle with TICTAC as one entry and TOE as another.  I still wish that I&#039;d resisted the impulse to connect them.  TICTAC is a perfectly fine entry as a breath mint, and TOE is a fine entry as a digit (or in some other context).   But I &quot;cross-clued&quot; them because I could.  And I still regret it.

In my opinion, every entry should stand alone and have it&#039;s own clue.  Perhaps it&#039;s only because I&#039;ve seen it abused so much, but I think that cross-referencing clues are either too clever by half, clued as afterthoughts, and/or downright annoying.

Quote puzzles notwithstanding, of course. 

All that being said:  You&#039;re cross references weren&#039;t annoying because they were so close together.  Only 10-Across connecting with 54-Across were seperated in the grid; and that was quite a difficult connection for any constructor to ignore.  (And probably the reason you wanted to ask for feedback in the first place.)

So the general answer is: Cross-refereneces, generally, suck.

But you did a good job of having cross-references that don&#039;t suck.

I hope that clears thing up for ya.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually find them to be supremely annoying.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never thought of it as being &#8220;lazy&#8221; cluing.   I just assumed that it was a symptom of wanting to be bring a themeless together in an overly eager manner.</p>
<p>Some months ago I made a puzzle with TICTAC as one entry and TOE as another.  I still wish that I&#8217;d resisted the impulse to connect them.  TICTAC is a perfectly fine entry as a breath mint, and TOE is a fine entry as a digit (or in some other context).   But I &#8220;cross-clued&#8221; them because I could.  And I still regret it.</p>
<p>In my opinion, every entry should stand alone and have it&#8217;s own clue.  Perhaps it&#8217;s only because I&#8217;ve seen it abused so much, but I think that cross-referencing clues are either too clever by half, clued as afterthoughts, and/or downright annoying.</p>
<p>Quote puzzles notwithstanding, of course. </p>
<p>All that being said:  You&#8217;re cross references weren&#8217;t annoying because they were so close together.  Only 10-Across connecting with 54-Across were seperated in the grid; and that was quite a difficult connection for any constructor to ignore.  (And probably the reason you wanted to ask for feedback in the first place.)</p>
<p>So the general answer is: Cross-refereneces, generally, suck.</p>
<p>But you did a good job of having cross-references that don&#8217;t suck.</p>
<p>I hope that clears thing up for ya.  <img src='http://beekeeperlabs.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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